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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do I feel?  Lousy.  Because I don&#039;t want to have to teach them to bone up on systems theory and fight the imposed, expert structures tooth and nail, lest they continue to be mere functionaries content to each children and belch pay raises.  I would wish to show them the existential exigency of their noble calling.  But I can&#039;t.  So how do you think I feel?

Yeesh, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do I feel?  Lousy.  Because I don&#8217;t want to have to teach them to bone up on systems theory and fight the imposed, expert structures tooth and nail, lest they continue to be mere functionaries content to each children and belch pay raises.  I would wish to show them the existential exigency of their noble calling.  But I can&#8217;t.  So how do you think I feel?</p>
<p>Yeesh, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Becker</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeesh.  How do you really feel, Hugo?

Dan (if you&#039;re still out there), you wrote that you are &quot;interested in developing a standard of care for teachers, which, even if not legally actionable, could be used by a peer-review board (a la the AMA) to disbar the right teachers from the classroom.&quot;  I would submit that a standard does not exist precisely because it would open the doors to legal action.  A lawyer who does not uphold the standard of &quot;zealous advocacy&quot; is open to being disbarred and being sued (see e.g. Mike Nifong in the Duke lax case).  The ed. mal. cases I&#039;ve read have fallen short, in large part, because judges can&#039;t find any standard of care to which teachers are generally held.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeesh.  How do you really feel, Hugo?</p>
<p>Dan (if you&#8217;re still out there), you wrote that you are &#8220;interested in developing a standard of care for teachers, which, even if not legally actionable, could be used by a peer-review board (a la the AMA) to disbar the right teachers from the classroom.&#8221;  I would submit that a standard does not exist precisely because it would open the doors to legal action.  A lawyer who does not uphold the standard of &#8220;zealous advocacy&#8221; is open to being disbarred and being sued (see e.g. Mike Nifong in the Duke lax case).  The ed. mal. cases I&#8217;ve read have fallen short, in large part, because judges can&#8217;t find any standard of care to which teachers are generally held.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I spent more than an hour on the other site trying to address those people in a way that would turn them from their vanity, but it was pointless; they all seem to pine for the kind of social respect that really isn&#039;t due people so self-absorbed and self-important as not to recognize that it is not they, but children, who are of concern.  Those people are my sisters and brothers, but I can&#039;t go through with it; I&#039;m too old, and I don&#039;t want to hurt them.  I&#039;ve been a teacher, and a teacher of teachers, and a teacher of teachers-of-teachers, and still I don&#039;t know how to call these people to---I mean, they don&#039;t understand that they&#039;re stuck in the web alongside the children.  They&#039;re not the spider.  It&#039;s simply too late.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I spent more than an hour on the other site trying to address those people in a way that would turn them from their vanity, but it was pointless; they all seem to pine for the kind of social respect that really isn&#8217;t due people so self-absorbed and self-important as not to recognize that it is not they, but children, who are of concern.  Those people are my sisters and brothers, but I can&#8217;t go through with it; I&#8217;m too old, and I don&#8217;t want to hurt them.  I&#8217;ve been a teacher, and a teacher of teachers, and a teacher of teachers-of-teachers, and still I don&#8217;t know how to call these people to&#8212;I mean, they don&#8217;t understand that they&#8217;re stuck in the web alongside the children.  They&#8217;re not the spider.  It&#8217;s simply too late.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, very well.  You&#039;re right.  I can&#039;t speak for the others, but I&#039;m just outbounding toward your same end; I&#039;m an inveterate outbounder.  Please be called to a certain gravity and  solemnity, because these matters, as Jon has framed them, are so grave.  And yes, infanticide is a part of the (American) historical backdrop: the U.S. did not have universal, compulsory public schooling until 1934, at which time the long Western history of (esp. female) infanticide was very fresh, to put it mildly.  Look, I&#039;m not saying this sad stuff for shock value; but if we&#039;re going to approach a new jurisprudence, I&#039;m sorry but we&#039;ve got to be &quot;counterfoil-forensic&quot; as an old friend, now in political oppo research, once put it to me.

You can try to convince schooled teenagers of whatever authenticity you choose, but they&#039;ll still know that they&#039;re enschooled---that they&#039;re schoolhoused---by force of law.  By force.  So whatever line you want to play out to them, in the end won&#039;t change the fact that you begin with lying about the power differential in which you have all, and they have nothing but the food pellets you measure out to them.

You may not believe it, but I&#039;m on your side.  My point is that the system is not.  The system may flatter you, but it&#039;s as hostile to you as it is to its ostensible, principal clientele.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, very well.  You&#8217;re right.  I can&#8217;t speak for the others, but I&#8217;m just outbounding toward your same end; I&#8217;m an inveterate outbounder.  Please be called to a certain gravity and  solemnity, because these matters, as Jon has framed them, are so grave.  And yes, infanticide is a part of the (American) historical backdrop: the U.S. did not have universal, compulsory public schooling until 1934, at which time the long Western history of (esp. female) infanticide was very fresh, to put it mildly.  Look, I&#8217;m not saying this sad stuff for shock value; but if we&#8217;re going to approach a new jurisprudence, I&#8217;m sorry but we&#8217;ve got to be &#8220;counterfoil-forensic&#8221; as an old friend, now in political oppo research, once put it to me.</p>
<p>You can try to convince schooled teenagers of whatever authenticity you choose, but they&#8217;ll still know that they&#8217;re enschooled&#8212;that they&#8217;re schoolhoused&#8212;by force of law.  By force.  So whatever line you want to play out to them, in the end won&#8217;t change the fact that you begin with lying about the power differential in which you have all, and they have nothing but the food pellets you measure out to them.</p>
<p>You may not believe it, but I&#8217;m on your side.  My point is that the system is not.  The system may flatter you, but it&#8217;s as hostile to you as it is to its ostensible, principal clientele.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Meyer</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infanticidal teachers?  Y&#039;all are simultaneously too smart and too far outta control for me.  I am &lt;em&gt;extremely&lt;/em&gt; interested in developing a standard of care for teachers, which, even if not legally actionable, could be used by a peer-review board (a la the AMA) to disbar the right teachers from the classroom.

Though I&#039;m not yet ready to leap straight to 21st-century paradigms, though.  There are lower infractions which need redress first — use data to inform decisions; create a culture in which students feel their interests are actualized through attendance; don&#039;t be boring; etc.

A lot of pretty hypotheticals in this thread, no matter what comes of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infanticidal teachers?  Y&#8217;all are simultaneously too smart and too far outta control for me.  I am <em>extremely</em> interested in developing a standard of care for teachers, which, even if not legally actionable, could be used by a peer-review board (a la the AMA) to disbar the right teachers from the classroom.</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;m not yet ready to leap straight to 21st-century paradigms, though.  There are lower infractions which need redress first — use data to inform decisions; create a culture in which students feel their interests are actualized through attendance; don&#8217;t be boring; etc.</p>
<p>A lot of pretty hypotheticals in this thread, no matter what comes of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Becker</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugo, I believe you&#039;d enjoy a similar conversation that&#039;s developing over at Dan Meyer&#039;s blog.  http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=772</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugo, I believe you&#8217;d enjoy a similar conversation that&#8217;s developing over at Dan Meyer&#8217;s blog.  <a href="http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=772" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=772</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, it occurs to me that it would be impossible also to establish culpability.  That&#039;s what exquisitely complex systems do: they absolve their functionaries of personal responsibility, by relegating the notion of responsibility to the heap of imponderables.  No algorithm for guilt, you see.  No one even to hold responsible for the Nuremberg defense, since there are no orders to follow, only a system that&#039;s inviolable.

Schoolteachers believe they are a self-selected group of professionals, but they&#039;re neither self-selected nor members of a profession.  Long before they decided to take up the chalk, they had spent years in the front row demonstrating, for example, the kind of extreme credulity required to commit to a system that ritually stigmatizes and even expunges more than a third of its clientele---of CHILDREN.  The office of Keeper of the Chalk is reserved to those who prove, again and again, their assumption that such is the natural order of things---that things somehow would come apart were this ritual child sacrifice cease to occur.  At the very least, it would mean a betrayal of the idol &quot;excellence&quot;, as a thing can excel only in relation to another thing: in this case, the rejected schoolchildren.

Of course this formulation (or characterization) is arch, but so is schooling.  And the formulation does take you to the origin of human law: the advent of prohibition resulting from intimations of the divine.  Freud postulated that religion began in collective murder, probably a regicide or a clan patricide.  He didn&#039;t live to see the repeated anthropological discoveries, in digs around the world, of the underpinnings of the sacred sites of the oldest known human cultures: the bones of ritually sacrificed children, bones quite often used as lath in the temple foundations.  &quot;Religio&quot; as the binding element.  Sacrificed children as that which, by propitiating the Prohibitor, allow human beings, under law, to live among one another without devouring each other.

The system is a sacrificial system, and its functionaries---in this case teachers who select those for sacrifice---are not to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, it occurs to me that it would be impossible also to establish culpability.  That&#8217;s what exquisitely complex systems do: they absolve their functionaries of personal responsibility, by relegating the notion of responsibility to the heap of imponderables.  No algorithm for guilt, you see.  No one even to hold responsible for the Nuremberg defense, since there are no orders to follow, only a system that&#8217;s inviolable.</p>
<p>Schoolteachers believe they are a self-selected group of professionals, but they&#8217;re neither self-selected nor members of a profession.  Long before they decided to take up the chalk, they had spent years in the front row demonstrating, for example, the kind of extreme credulity required to commit to a system that ritually stigmatizes and even expunges more than a third of its clientele&#8212;of CHILDREN.  The office of Keeper of the Chalk is reserved to those who prove, again and again, their assumption that such is the natural order of things&#8212;that things somehow would come apart were this ritual child sacrifice cease to occur.  At the very least, it would mean a betrayal of the idol &#8220;excellence&#8221;, as a thing can excel only in relation to another thing: in this case, the rejected schoolchildren.</p>
<p>Of course this formulation (or characterization) is arch, but so is schooling.  And the formulation does take you to the origin of human law: the advent of prohibition resulting from intimations of the divine.  Freud postulated that religion began in collective murder, probably a regicide or a clan patricide.  He didn&#8217;t live to see the repeated anthropological discoveries, in digs around the world, of the underpinnings of the sacred sites of the oldest known human cultures: the bones of ritually sacrificed children, bones quite often used as lath in the temple foundations.  &#8220;Religio&#8221; as the binding element.  Sacrificed children as that which, by propitiating the Prohibitor, allow human beings, under law, to live among one another without devouring each other.</p>
<p>The system is a sacrificial system, and its functionaries&#8212;in this case teachers who select those for sacrifice&#8212;are not to blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be delighted to share it with you all when I get a little farther along.  I&#039;ll tell you where I am with it.  I&#039;d thought to do it as satire, but two things hit me in the gut: in researching the recent morphology of the Hippocratic, I was distressed to learn that the medical profession has gutted it leaving only a disused husk, and nothing with any valence to speak of; so partly for that reason I came to feel that I shouldn&#039;t be playing around with the duties of teachers---especially pedagogues.

I never wanted to propound something radical, but American schoolteachers today are so tragically enschooled in their systems-thinking that they&#039;re inured to the routinized &quot;wastage&quot; (an agricultural term) of children, and to what Jefferson called schooling&#039;s &quot;asportation&quot; (arch.--kidnapping) of the children of the Republic.  The systems-assumptions for which teachers are selected blind them, for example, to the facial absurdity of &quot;zero tolerance&quot; policies, through which a well-oiled human management system is capable of licensing the absolute (zero), perfect intolerance of an adult toward a child acting as a child.  This systematized (I use that word advisedly) callousness is, to me, deeply tragic.  So I hardly know how to continue with the drafting of a notional Socratic Oath.

Simply to say what it ought to be---to say it deadpan and artlessly---is to engage in that literary device which is satire-by-comparison; that is, to make a mockery of what teaching has become in our society.  And I don&#039;t wish to be a part of making pariahs out of teachers, the way we have done with attorneys (or they to themselves).

In my middle age I still bring apples to teachers.  They are sensei to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be delighted to share it with you all when I get a little farther along.  I&#8217;ll tell you where I am with it.  I&#8217;d thought to do it as satire, but two things hit me in the gut: in researching the recent morphology of the Hippocratic, I was distressed to learn that the medical profession has gutted it leaving only a disused husk, and nothing with any valence to speak of; so partly for that reason I came to feel that I shouldn&#8217;t be playing around with the duties of teachers&#8212;especially pedagogues.</p>
<p>I never wanted to propound something radical, but American schoolteachers today are so tragically enschooled in their systems-thinking that they&#8217;re inured to the routinized &#8220;wastage&#8221; (an agricultural term) of children, and to what Jefferson called schooling&#8217;s &#8220;asportation&#8221; (arch.&#8211;kidnapping) of the children of the Republic.  The systems-assumptions for which teachers are selected blind them, for example, to the facial absurdity of &#8220;zero tolerance&#8221; policies, through which a well-oiled human management system is capable of licensing the absolute (zero), perfect intolerance of an adult toward a child acting as a child.  This systematized (I use that word advisedly) callousness is, to me, deeply tragic.  So I hardly know how to continue with the drafting of a notional Socratic Oath.</p>
<p>Simply to say what it ought to be&#8212;to say it deadpan and artlessly&#8212;is to engage in that literary device which is satire-by-comparison; that is, to make a mockery of what teaching has become in our society.  And I don&#8217;t wish to be a part of making pariahs out of teachers, the way we have done with attorneys (or they to themselves).</p>
<p>In my middle age I still bring apples to teachers.  They are sensei to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not too keen about Dewey&#039;s proposition either. Hugo, how far along are you in your draft of the Socratic Oath for educators?  Is that something you&#039;re willing to share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too keen about Dewey&#8217;s proposition either. Hugo, how far along are you in your draft of the Socratic Oath for educators?  Is that something you&#8217;re willing to share?</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2008/04/23/educational-malpractice/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, after passing on the sides and washing the meat down with Buzbeer, we come to the school again, with a duty to match the wisest parents&#039; wishes for their children?  Does it matter what obstacles the student has?  Should all students be able to effectively create tangents and figure cosine at the drop of the hat?  How about that wise parent that sees the ability his/her (note the gender equity, Jon) child to be an exceptional custodian, snow-plow operator, or welder?  Are these the wise parents considered?  My guess is no.  We probably looked at those that see doctor, lawyer (help us all!), and business tycoon as the careers of choice.  Honestly, didn&#039;t you?  If so, we have poorly prepared the first three for their occupations-by the way occupations that are highly needed and I have personal experience with all three lacking greatly.  My point?  How about vocational education - technical skills, spacial understanding, and maybe most of all social skills and the ability to be a good human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, after passing on the sides and washing the meat down with Buzbeer, we come to the school again, with a duty to match the wisest parents&#8217; wishes for their children?  Does it matter what obstacles the student has?  Should all students be able to effectively create tangents and figure cosine at the drop of the hat?  How about that wise parent that sees the ability his/her (note the gender equity, Jon) child to be an exceptional custodian, snow-plow operator, or welder?  Are these the wise parents considered?  My guess is no.  We probably looked at those that see doctor, lawyer (help us all!), and business tycoon as the careers of choice.  Honestly, didn&#8217;t you?  If so, we have poorly prepared the first three for their occupations-by the way occupations that are highly needed and I have personal experience with all three lacking greatly.  My point?  How about vocational education &#8211; technical skills, spacial understanding, and maybe most of all social skills and the ability to be a good human being.</p>
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