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		<title>By: Jon Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren (and Will), to be honest, I&#039;ve not read The Element (nor, BTW, have I read any of Gardner&#039;s books; tough I&#039;ve read many articles by him).  I think one huge difference between Robinson and Gladwell is expertise.  Robinson&#039;s been involved in arts education nearly all of his professional life.  He is a credible writer on issues of learning.

Expertise/credibility is important to me.  So is &quot;doing your homework.&quot;  Darren, if there is so much overlap with Gardner&#039;s ideas, and Gardner&#039;s theories are valid/reliable, then I think Robinson would have an obligation to give more credit to Gardner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren (and Will), to be honest, I&#8217;ve not read The Element (nor, BTW, have I read any of Gardner&#8217;s books; tough I&#8217;ve read many articles by him).  I think one huge difference between Robinson and Gladwell is expertise.  Robinson&#8217;s been involved in arts education nearly all of his professional life.  He is a credible writer on issues of learning.</p>
<p>Expertise/credibility is important to me.  So is &#8220;doing your homework.&#8221;  Darren, if there is so much overlap with Gardner&#8217;s ideas, and Gardner&#8217;s theories are valid/reliable, then I think Robinson would have an obligation to give more credit to Gardner.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Draper</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/06/29/bummer-boy-takes-on-gladwell-part1/comment-page-1/#comment-1987</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

I&#039;ve read Robinson&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Element&lt;/i&gt; and have one fairly substantial concern about the book. While Robinson spends the entire book discussing the idea that people learn, behave, and perform best under certain circumstances (i.e., when they&#039;re in their &quot;element&quot;) - he makes little mention of Howard Gardner&#039;s Multiple Intelligence theory. In fact, he only discusses Gardner in passing with one or two measly paragraphs.

Why not give credit where credit is due?

Or perhaps I&#039;ve missed something in the book?  It just seemed to me that if you&#039;d seen Robinson&#039;s TED talk and read Howard Gardner&#039;s work, then you&#039;d already heard the overall message of &lt;i&gt;The Element&lt;/i&gt;.

Regardless, great series of posts, Jon. I also really enjoyed your reflections on NECC (with Bri) and your summary of EBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read Robinson&#8217;s <i>The Element</i> and have one fairly substantial concern about the book. While Robinson spends the entire book discussing the idea that people learn, behave, and perform best under certain circumstances (i.e., when they&#8217;re in their &#8220;element&#8221;) &#8211; he makes little mention of Howard Gardner&#8217;s Multiple Intelligence theory. In fact, he only discusses Gardner in passing with one or two measly paragraphs.</p>
<p>Why not give credit where credit is due?</p>
<p>Or perhaps I&#8217;ve missed something in the book?  It just seemed to me that if you&#8217;d seen Robinson&#8217;s TED talk and read Howard Gardner&#8217;s work, then you&#8217;d already heard the overall message of <i>The Element</i>.</p>
<p>Regardless, great series of posts, Jon. I also really enjoyed your reflections on NECC (with Bri) and your summary of EBC.</p>
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		<title>By: sylvia martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>sylvia martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still contend you deserve to be called &quot;Dr. Bummer Boy&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still contend you deserve to be called &#8220;Dr. Bummer Boy&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Educational Insanity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bummer Boy takes on Gladwell, Part 2</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/06/29/bummer-boy-takes-on-gladwell-part1/comment-page-1/#comment-1962</link>
		<dc:creator>Educational Insanity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bummer Boy takes on Gladwell, Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 1, I took a philosophical approach to my critique of Malcolm Gladwell and his book, Outliers.  I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NECC 2009: Opening Keynote Malcolm Gladwell &#171; Ubiquitous Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/06/29/bummer-boy-takes-on-gladwell-part1/comment-page-1/#comment-1943</link>
		<dc:creator>NECC 2009: Opening Keynote Malcolm Gladwell &#171; Ubiquitous Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the keynote is here, here, and here.  Scott McLeod posted a few more useful links, including this critique by &#8220;Bummer Boy&#8221;. Liz Davis wonders how to put Gladwell&#8217;s ideas into [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the keynote is here, here, and here.  Scott McLeod posted a few more useful links, including this critique by &#8220;Bummer Boy&#8221;. Liz Davis wonders how to put Gladwell&#8217;s ideas into [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew B. Watt</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/06/29/bummer-boy-takes-on-gladwell-part1/comment-page-1/#comment-1936</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew B. Watt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m moderately fond of Mr. Gladwell, but I was more than a little offended at the idea of a recycled speech.  I followed his examples and anecdotes, and I think he&#039;s on the right track, but it would have been nice to see some actual data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m moderately fond of Mr. Gladwell, but I was more than a little offended at the idea of a recycled speech.  I followed his examples and anecdotes, and I think he&#8217;s on the right track, but it would have been nice to see some actual data.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Ovenell-Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Ovenell-Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take Gladwell&#039;s point. But I also felt the same thing you did, Bummer Boy, when I was listening in on MG&#039;s keynote through Twitter. He was, as far as I could tell from the Tweets, making a hasty generalization (you of all people might like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fallacyfiles.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fallacy Files&lt;/a&gt;)

There were similar stories of going a bridge to far a few years back when neuroscience was all the rage in education circles. John T. Bruer&#039;s piece, Education and the Brain: A Bridge to Far, makes a good critique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take Gladwell&#8217;s point. But I also felt the same thing you did, Bummer Boy, when I was listening in on MG&#8217;s keynote through Twitter. He was, as far as I could tell from the Tweets, making a hasty generalization (you of all people might like the <a href="http://www.fallacyfiles.org/" rel="nofollow">Fallacy Files</a>)</p>
<p>There were similar stories of going a bridge to far a few years back when neuroscience was all the rage in education circles. John T. Bruer&#8217;s piece, Education and the Brain: A Bridge to Far, makes a good critique.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardsonw</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/06/29/bummer-boy-takes-on-gladwell-part1/comment-page-1/#comment-1934</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardsonw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wondering if you have the same analysis of Ken Robinson&#039;s &quot;The Element&quot; which follows this structure as well. Read it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wondering if you have the same analysis of Ken Robinson&#8217;s &#8220;The Element&#8221; which follows this structure as well. Read it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ira Socol</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/06/29/bummer-boy-takes-on-gladwell-part1/comment-page-1/#comment-1932</link>
		<dc:creator>Ira Socol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for good anecdotes, and I&#039;m all for observational research. ISm, on the other hand, really opposed to the faux research paradigm. The causal declaration (which Gladwell makes over and over) followed by the &quot;it&#039;s not really science&quot; claim. Because if you&#039;re claiming cause without really strong evidence do is all a favor and call yourself a novelist. 

The plural of anecdote are data, but adding up unconnected stories does not even express a pattern which might lead to induction. 

I think the concept of looking at outliers is really interesting. But because they are, indeed, outliers it is essential to do the real observational work to start to theorize what might connect these disparate stories. Gladwell doesn&#039;t seem to do that work, yet he clearly makes causal claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for good anecdotes, and I&#8217;m all for observational research. ISm, on the other hand, really opposed to the faux research paradigm. The causal declaration (which Gladwell makes over and over) followed by the &#8220;it&#8217;s not really science&#8221; claim. Because if you&#8217;re claiming cause without really strong evidence do is all a favor and call yourself a novelist. </p>
<p>The plural of anecdote are data, but adding up unconnected stories does not even express a pattern which might lead to induction. </p>
<p>I think the concept of looking at outliers is really interesting. But because they are, indeed, outliers it is essential to do the real observational work to start to theorize what might connect these disparate stories. Gladwell doesn&#8217;t seem to do that work, yet he clearly makes causal claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/06/29/bummer-boy-takes-on-gladwell-part1/comment-page-1/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Langan&#039;s goal in life was to become a horse farmer... so, are we judging his &quot;success&quot; by society&#039;s standards or by the fact that he might be doing what he wanted to do?

I had issues with some of the topics in his keynote, too, but I&#039;ll wait to see what you post in part deux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Langan&#8217;s goal in life was to become a horse farmer&#8230; so, are we judging his &#8220;success&#8221; by society&#8217;s standards or by the fact that he might be doing what he wanted to do?</p>
<p>I had issues with some of the topics in his keynote, too, but I&#8217;ll wait to see what you post in part deux.</p>
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