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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/12/09/shortest-meta-analysis-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-2556</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren,

When you see firsthand how cities like Chicago handle education, it&#039;s very easy to become mistrustful.  Race to the Top is just a pretty way of saying NCLB.  It&#039;s a race!  There&#039;s a promise of funding to be &lt;i&gt;won&lt;/i&gt;.  Since when did funding become a prize?  Winner take all?  We have next to no technology at our grammar school.  The techie is Mr. Tony.  I mean, come on.  Mr. Tony?  Is that a techie or a hairdresser?  Yes, that&#039;s a cheap shot.  I&#039;ve met him.  He seems like a nice guy.  But I just don&#039;t see the Chicago Public schools entering even the 1990s any time soon.  I&#039;ve been in more than one school, and the emphasis is on teaching to the test.  Still.   How does that give anyone a well rounded education?  I am guessing that charter schools are not the magic bullet.  Certainly not when it comes to special ed.  Our older, severely handicapped daughter just started in one.  Right off the bat I am dubious about what charter schools are about.  This one is designed in such a way that all Special Ed kids are segregated from the rest of the population.  Sadly, in this particular area not many choices.  Even more of crapshoot as far as teachers go.  My daughter was written off when she was three, although no one came out and said so.  But they did when she was six.  The school psychologist said that she was a happy child and would have a good life.  No plan for literacy.  It is all glorified pre-school.  

I would like to see more alternative schools.  Hell, I&#039;d like to even form one.  But I have no money and no idea where to even start.  And I am not just talking about our older daughter in special ed.  I am talking about all kinds of kids, who like me, are differently brained.  So many of us could have benefited from more innovative learning.  I, for instance, was plenty smart, but emotionally immature.  My husband is Mr. MIT.  Nicknamed The Brain.  He helped himself.  No gifted programs for us.  No smart but socially backwards classes either.  I like Ira Socol&#039;s suggestions of &quot;IEPs for all,&quot; but I have no idea how to begin to implement that.  But it makes a great deal of sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren,</p>
<p>When you see firsthand how cities like Chicago handle education, it&#8217;s very easy to become mistrustful.  Race to the Top is just a pretty way of saying NCLB.  It&#8217;s a race!  There&#8217;s a promise of funding to be <i>won</i>.  Since when did funding become a prize?  Winner take all?  We have next to no technology at our grammar school.  The techie is Mr. Tony.  I mean, come on.  Mr. Tony?  Is that a techie or a hairdresser?  Yes, that&#8217;s a cheap shot.  I&#8217;ve met him.  He seems like a nice guy.  But I just don&#8217;t see the Chicago Public schools entering even the 1990s any time soon.  I&#8217;ve been in more than one school, and the emphasis is on teaching to the test.  Still.   How does that give anyone a well rounded education?  I am guessing that charter schools are not the magic bullet.  Certainly not when it comes to special ed.  Our older, severely handicapped daughter just started in one.  Right off the bat I am dubious about what charter schools are about.  This one is designed in such a way that all Special Ed kids are segregated from the rest of the population.  Sadly, in this particular area not many choices.  Even more of crapshoot as far as teachers go.  My daughter was written off when she was three, although no one came out and said so.  But they did when she was six.  The school psychologist said that she was a happy child and would have a good life.  No plan for literacy.  It is all glorified pre-school.  </p>
<p>I would like to see more alternative schools.  Hell, I&#8217;d like to even form one.  But I have no money and no idea where to even start.  And I am not just talking about our older daughter in special ed.  I am talking about all kinds of kids, who like me, are differently brained.  So many of us could have benefited from more innovative learning.  I, for instance, was plenty smart, but emotionally immature.  My husband is Mr. MIT.  Nicknamed The Brain.  He helped himself.  No gifted programs for us.  No smart but socially backwards classes either.  I like Ira Socol&#8217;s suggestions of &#8220;IEPs for all,&#8221; but I have no idea how to begin to implement that.  But it makes a great deal of sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Draper</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/12/09/shortest-meta-analysis-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-2545</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the rationale, Jon. Very well said. Marzano would be proud. :) Then again, your assessment may be too honest to float Marzano&#039;s boat.  

Scott, I&#039;m not convinced that choice is the real reason &quot;chartered&quot; schools have become so popular. I think mistrust is more at the heart of the matter.

Sadly, however, it&#039;s been my experience that far too many people have to learn the hard way that public schools really aren&#039;t a bad way to get a rounded education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the rationale, Jon. Very well said. Marzano would be proud. <img src='http://edinsanity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Then again, your assessment may be too honest to float Marzano&#8217;s boat.  </p>
<p>Scott, I&#8217;m not convinced that choice is the real reason &#8220;chartered&#8221; schools have become so popular. I think mistrust is more at the heart of the matter.</p>
<p>Sadly, however, it&#8217;s been my experience that far too many people have to learn the hard way that public schools really aren&#8217;t a bad way to get a rounded education.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott McLeod</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/12/09/shortest-meta-analysis-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-2539</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we&#039;re asking the wrong question. Maybe we should be asking, &quot;Given that the research on charter schools and student achievement is mixed, why are they so popular?&quot;

People like choice. Are there ways to create more student/family choices in traditional, non-charter schools? And, if so, can we do that without sacrificing historical goals related to common schooling, mass socialization, and equitable opportunity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we&#8217;re asking the wrong question. Maybe we should be asking, &#8220;Given that the research on charter schools and student achievement is mixed, why are they so popular?&#8221;</p>
<p>People like choice. Are there ways to create more student/family choices in traditional, non-charter schools? And, if so, can we do that without sacrificing historical goals related to common schooling, mass socialization, and equitable opportunity?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean, Tom? IWBs improve student achievement by 17%. Just ask Marzano ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean, Tom? IWBs improve student achievement by 17%. Just ask Marzano <img src='http://edinsanity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Grey</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/12/09/shortest-meta-analysis-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-2535</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s what you&#039;re into, Dr. Becker.

Steve, this article also states, &quot;and the evidence is indisputable: you can&#039;t improve student learning without improving instruction.&quot;  Which is a tautology I&#039;d prefer to forgo.  http://www.ecs.org/html/Document.asp?chouseid=7679</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re into, Dr. Becker.</p>
<p>Steve, this article also states, &#8220;and the evidence is indisputable: you can&#8217;t improve student learning without improving instruction.&#8221;  Which is a tautology I&#8217;d prefer to forgo.  <a href="http://www.ecs.org/html/Document.asp?chouseid=7679" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecs.org/html/Document.asp?chouseid=7679</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please write another post saying the exact same thing about technology integration.  Apparently, that still needs to be spelled out, slowly and repeatedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please write another post saying the exact same thing about technology integration.  Apparently, that still needs to be spelled out, slowly and repeatedly.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ransom</title>
		<link>http://edinsanity.com/2009/12/09/shortest-meta-analysis-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-2532</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ransom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben - you forgot one critical element. Research strongly supports the conclusion that good/effective teachers are better than not so good/ineffective teachers. So, teacher quality indeed makes a difference. There is no ambiguity here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben &#8211; you forgot one critical element. Research strongly supports the conclusion that good/effective teachers are better than not so good/ineffective teachers. So, teacher quality indeed makes a difference. There is no ambiguity here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, fellas, exactly.  The majority of the variance in student achievement is attributable to factors outside of schools.  Then, of the variance in student achievement that can be attributed to schools, the vast majority is within schools, not between schools.  Got that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, fellas, exactly.  The majority of the variance in student achievement is attributable to factors outside of schools.  Then, of the variance in student achievement that can be attributed to schools, the vast majority is within schools, not between schools.  Got that?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Townsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Townsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obvious point made here, Jon.  The same can be said about &quot;traditional&quot; (non-charter) schools, too, right?  Maybe we should say &quot;public schools make no difference&quot;?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obvious point made here, Jon.  The same can be said about &#8220;traditional&#8221; (non-charter) schools, too, right?  Maybe we should say &#8220;public schools make no difference&#8221;?  <img src='http://edinsanity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Grey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some good teachers.  There are some bad teachers.

On the whole, then, teachers make no difference.

Officially peer-reviewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some good teachers.  There are some bad teachers.</p>
<p>On the whole, then, teachers make no difference.</p>
<p>Officially peer-reviewed.</p>
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